DESCRIPTION: It is one of a series of prophetic names found in chapters 78 and 9 of the Book of Isaiahincluding most notably Immanuel "God with us", and Maher-shalal-hash-baz Hebrew: The name is translated in the Latin Vulgate and most English Bibles. The name could be left untranslated,  and is so in the Jewish Publication Society of America Versionthough this caused discussion among the translators and led to an English translation in the New Jewish Publication Society of America VersionKaviena Waltz: Yes good goyim, let your german girls fuck third world blacks and middle easterns, its not like white people are a minority on the planet or anything.
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What Did Jesus Say? The NIV reads for this passage: For example, Matthew never alludes to it. Why is this never observed by the apostles to pertain to Jesus? We know today it is often cited to say this
Pele Joez El Gibbor Abi Ad Sar Shalom us Jesus was God the Father.
The verse actually only says that the child will be "called" by this name, and does not tell us anything about his intrinsic nature by having such a name. But putting that issue to one side for a moment, we must recognize that we never hear of this verse from Matthew, John, etc.
That should be the clue that perhaps a misunderstanding has developed that this verse is talking of the intrinsic nature of the child rather than discusses his name. Here are some facts to consider. This photo below is the Dead Sea Scroll version of Isaiah 9: Benner with over 10 Bible-exposition books to his credit tells us that the underlined terms above allow us to see that prior to the Masoretic text, the Dead Sea Scrolls from years
Pele Joez El Gibbor Abi Ad Sar Shalom read very differently.
From this, many of us believed it was a prophecy calling a child "Mighty God. This would imply the Masoretes erred in transcribing this. What then is the importance that the DSS has Elgibor as one word? Benner says such a conglomerate term thus signifies simply a name, without any intention to identify someone as God. Just as one is not saying Isaiah is Yahweh, one would not be saying the child prophesied about in Isaiah 9: Elgibor is a name, and nothing more.
Scholar Jeff Brenner says this too is an error. Scholar Jeff Benner says that "Ad" is misinterpted as "Eternal," and literally it means a person named Ad. This word is often used in the phrase l'olam v'ed. While this is usually translated as "forever and ever" it literally means "to eternity and again".
What about "Prince of Peace? The Masoretes in the s AD are missing "Ha" in their version. However, it is present in the Dead Sea Scrolls from over a milennium earlier. Thus, applying Brenner's corrections, the passage in the Pele Joez El Gibbor Abi Ad Sar Shalom Sea Scrolls version reads simply: So in the DSS, Ad is a name the father of the son; El-Gibbor is a name of the child; and the Masoretes lost the "ha" before Shalom, and thus lost the link that signified only "Jerusalem," allowing it to be misread as "Prince of Peace.
A different view accepts the Masoretic text, and treats the Dead Sea Scrolls, even though older, as incorrect. We would then propose the following: This is reflected by Matthew 1: See my article " Pele Joez El Gibbor Abi Ad Sar Shalom. If so, Jesus' name fulfills Isaiah 9: This fulfills Isaiah 9: Hence, by giving Jesus that name by the angelic instruction to Joseph, this fulfilled that God called him by a name signifying Yahweh's own name.
Jesus says in John Incidentally, as noted earlier, none of the gospels or letters in the New Testament reference or allude to Isaiah 9: Up front, we think this has mistranslated the original Hebrew. The Septuagint is a Greek translation. It renders Isaiah 9: For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: Notice this does not say He is the ruler of peace.
It says God will bring peace to the princes. Nor does this say he is Everlasting Father. Hence, the Septuagint is a very different version of Isaiah 9: This can be verified by looking at the online version of the Septuagint Interlinear.
One has to know first to look at Isaiah 9: So at the following link is Isaiah 9: Pele Joez El Gibbor Abi Ad Sar Shalom can clearly see that it says Aggelos.
Is this Septuagint Greek edition a reflection of the correct original? This appears to be another Septuagint mistranslation. For a list of Septuagint errors exposed at our website -- Psalm Regardless, what is clear is that the Septuagint appears flawed in verse 6. The Septuagint does show, however, an emphasis on his "name" which will take up importance as we proceed. The modern Jewish versions below emphasize in 9: Cohen editor Soncino Pressseeks to reveal the importance of the 'name' reference.
I borrow the research here done by the Christian Churches of God presented at this link. The Soncino text renders Isaiah 9: For a child is born unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; And his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom. In a footnote, the Soncino Press says as to "is born This Jewish press says these hyphenated words represent a conglomerate single name. Such a name denotes a relationship of the person who enjoys that name to the words in the conglomerate name.
The Soncino Press says the hyphenated words as a name mean in context: As pointed out, the Masoretes did not conglomerate El and Gibor, but the modern Jewish press accepts it should be understood as a single name. The Socino Press likewise believes one should understand as part of the same conglomerate the entire series of attributes about Everlasting Father to Ruler of Peace.
Let's delve into Soncino's explanation a bit more. The long hyphenated name is exactly like what we see in Isaiah 8: Socino press says the name in Hebrew at Isaiah 8: See this name at King James of 8: Swift is the booty, speedy is the prey.
See NASB version at the bibble. Let's consider another Jewish source for yet another view. One Jewish commentator -- Jewish Home. Ruler of Peace; or. Option A avoids of course that a child is called God. But B is, this Jewish author agrees, a possible alternative translation.
But the KJV unjustifiably changes the exact same verb tense here in 9: The mystery is then what is that name? God has us waiting in the verse to know by what name is he called. And he called Hebrew: Here, assuming Option B is correct, it presents no blasphemy if properly understood. It is the name the child is called by which means "Mighty God and Eternal Father. Then in conjunction with this mistake in the KJV "shall be called"this Jewish author notes that in Christian translations, the conglomerate word at issue is individually separated by definite articles, while this "Jewish" translation which it proposes does not do so: This author also carefully examines the verb for CALL.
It says this should be rendered as "and he called. This is clearly an error, and misleading, as already mentioned. This Jewish author concedes that Jewish render "mighty God" as "mighty God" and it is not a deliberate Christian mistranslation.
He claims the "Eternal Father" could instead be "Eternal Patron," which is hardly convincing or much different. What is a valid point of this Jewish author is that it Pele Joez El Gibbor Abi Ad Sar Shalom anomolous to think the child has these attributes in Pele Joez El Gibbor Abi Ad Sar Shalom name, that is that the child is God. Rather, it is the name by which the child would be known. In other words, the child has that name that means these things. The Jewish author comments: Idat Thus, while the Jewish critic has his own reasons to pick apart the possibility that Mighty God or Everlasting Father was not intended, he did not make a convincing case on that issue.
Since Yahshua has Yahweh's name in it, it still fits. However, if the Dead Sea Scrolls has the correct version, then as Benner relates all such discussions are moot. In the Messianic Prophecy of Jeremiah This is the name by which he will be called: This speaks therefore of the name by which the branch of David will be known: Yahweh Our Righteous Savior.
This is not remarkable because Jewish names often had Yahweh's name as part of them, but this did not signify the individual was Yahweh Himself.
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Can you repeat that? Did Jesus Say? The NIV reads for this passage: As a replacement for example, Matthew never alludes near it. Why is this conditions observed by the apostles just before pertain to Jesus? We be on familiar term with today it is often cited to say this tells us Jesus was God the Creator. The verse actually only says that the child will be "called" by this name, afterwards does not tell us something about his intrinsic nature before having such a name.
- The Messianic prophecy in Isaiah 9:
- Pele-joez-el-gibbor-abi-ad-sar-shalom is a prophetic name or title which occurs in Isaiah in the Hebrew Bible. It is one of a series of prophetic names found in chapters 7, 8 and 9 of the Book of Isaiah, including most notably Immanuel "God with us", and Maher-shalal-hash-baz (Hebrew: מַהֵר שָׁלָל חָשׁ בַּז ) - "He has. It seems probable that Pele'-yo'ez-'el-gibbor-'abiy'ar-sar-shalom, if it is indeed a prophetic name is not meant to describe the child, but the situation to which that child is born (established in Isaiah ): that God would preserve the throne of David in the kingdom of Judah through the threat of Israel, Syria.
- I've asked about the translation philosophy of the long title in Isaiah 9.
Look at the context of Isaiah 10, noting the fact that Isaiah called the Messiah, el gibbor in Chapter 9; in the very next chapter he uses the title again; there is no need to believe he is not referring again to the Messiah.
A destruction is determined overflowing with righteousness. And he will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth and with the breath of his lips he will destroy the wicked one.
He gives inspired commentary on it. In 2 Thessalonians 2: Paul, in other words, expects the Wicked one to be the Assyrian of the end-time and he sees the fulfillment of Isaiah You are kidding, right? Am I misunderstanding you?
Are you saying that Jesus IS the Father!!! Guess I got that wrong as well. PS See also the blog articles: Saturday, August 05, Concerning Isaiah 9: Here is my answer to a query concerning Isaiah 9:
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